Inactive [ECON] iConomy 6.0.7 (Celty) [1337]

must admit the lack of shops ment that we had to convert over to coderedeconomy. you have created a fantastic base plugin but sadly with out stuff that uses it we had to make the switch.

I can speak for a lot of us..... We are very grateful for the countless hours of work programmers like you do for the game. Without these plugins Notch would not be a millionaire right now, and Minecraft would only be a game 12 year old kids play in their bedrooms instead of doing their homework!

Please do not let a few dirtbags ruin it for all the rest. I hope you reconsider releasing Shops, and Signs for iConomy. Without this plug my server's economy will not be there thus making the rp more difficult.

I hope there is a plug out there someplace that may substitute some of this. I would rather rely on yours as I have in the past.

I can only restate what everyone has been saying, your plugins are amazing, and I've been really excited about the possibility of seeing shops out on bukkit so I could work them into my server.

I hope you find a way to reconsider, but I will certainly understand if you don't want to put up with some of the people here.

Well then. Uninstalling Iconomy since it's all but useless without shops. I respect what you've done already but don't leave a cliff-hanger. Either do release them, or don't. It irks me to no end people who start something and go "yeeeah buuuuuut."

It's not a yeah but. He write these for his private server, and then shares them here. Because of responses he has received here, he is unsure about if he is going to share any more.

I'm really amazed at what he's doing in Livestream. He /cares/ for people using his mod. He's literally spent the last 30 minutes fixing other people's errors (and some of his own). I'm definitely on board with him if he wants to continue releasing.

yeah as happy as we are with codeeconemyred, its not linkable to other plugins (not the fault of the creator, after all he didnt have to share his work and im greatful for it) we would re-adopt iconomy if it was supported.

Yeah same here, i needed something shop wise. but i been using iConomy for ages. hated leaving it.

with out shops i'm scared for my life my members are all like when can we get shop like every day they loved it not looking forward to telling them never. :0 that shop system that you were working on around the time every body left hmod was so win. and i sure as heck hope i had no part in pissing you off. (some how i doubt it)

Link is Down.

If there are no shops, lottery, sign shops, or auction.......what is the point of using iconomy? If Nijikokun is just going to abandon those, who's to say he won't also just abandon the iconomy updates on Bukkit?

No offense Nijikokun, and I totally understand if you just don't have the time or desire to release mods to the public, but it saddens me when people give up and quit because of a few punks.


Hopefully someone will create a new economy mod that isn't in pieces, because it is not useful in pieces when all the pieces aren't there....nor do I think any modders are working on a shops plugin for iconomy....




Edit - I mean no disrespect to you Nijikokun so I'm sorry if I come across blunt in my post. I am just very disappointed that we won't have your awesome mods and I'd like to get rid of whatever punks gave you trouble before.

Keep up the good work, and if you'll still accept donations, I'll probably donate to one of your other projects once bukkit has the licensing issue sorted out.

Dropbox dl is down.

Hi, I know that you don't owe any of us anything, its really the other way around and I would also be happy to donate to keep this going as I really respect the work you've done on this and other things. I guess I'm just feeling a bit burned after spending 4-5 hours last week completely redoing all my config files for the new format and reanalyzing the numbers to improve the default values for prices and stock levels etc for the iShop plugin in prep. I have had a site dedicated to my iConomy defaults for a while and many servers were using my settings. I know myself and my users haven't done anything 'bad' and its hard explaining to them why all the money they've spent months earning can't be used for anything till I start from scratch using a new system. Is there any chance you might reconsider?

i think you you're a very talented developer, but all your plugins are either totally bloated beyond necessity (general/permissions) or completely lacking in any substance at all (iconomy). i see you posting in "competitor" threads defending your plugins when you don't have to. someone creating a simple 1-trick-pony plugin shouldn't be put down by someone who's basically written an entire third-party api that covers, and requires, so much.

i personally don't use your plugins because they're overly complicated. i can see the talent oozing out of them but i can't actually use any of them because they're so far beyond the scope of anything i'd need. if you would work more directly with other devs and we had more team-oriented plugins that's where i think your work could really shine.

make iconomy more dev friendly, get rid of general and make permissions easier to implement. i've got a small server of about 12 people and find myself having to write out every single command i want them to be able to do by hand that's not how i want to spend my evening. can you imagine how difficult that is for a non-coder to do? or how frustrating it can be when you have 20, 30, + people coming and going?

iconomy is fairly worthless without the support of other devs linking to it but i don't see you doing anything but alienating yourself with them in insignificant squabbles. i know you're working hard, hours daily, i've watched you for months, but you've put yourself in such a position that no one wants to work with you because of how bloated your plugins have become or how you've got this devoted following (rightfully so) attacking other, smaller devs on your behalf and wrangling you into a shitstorm that you suddenly find yourself on the defensive.

focus on filling in the gaps between bukkit and front end devs. be the API that's so sorely missing. you're so talented and creative alot of what's been done (back on hmod) was connected to you somehow, but now it's become more of a hindrance than a boost.

I think you're a very talented forum user, you can effectively post. However, your post was complicated and long. Out of the scope of something I would generally read. Imagine how a non-reader would attempt to read this, or how frustrating it can be when you have 20, 30, or even more people coming and going.

Don't attack plugin authors because you feel entitled (Rightfully so because of your small server size I see), suddenly you will find yourself on the defensive focusing on what you want and not everyone as a whole. I cannot see what you did in hMod and your name is awefully close to someone I know IRL and hate. You are now a hindrence to me instead of a boost.


.... In other news:

iConomy 2.2 Released

Supports Permissions.

i dont want to be a bother, but i want to know how far along is the shop part of iconomy?

well i guess the mature, constructive criticism approach was wasted. it seems to me your ego has joined your plugins in their bloatedness and you're lacking in substance as well.

sorry for hurting your feelings. i wasn't "attacking" you and i don't feel "entitled" beyond the fact that i've used your plugins before. that used to be enough. i just thought as a long-time user of your plugins you'd like some feedback. hell, even if i'd never used anything you've made maybe you'd appreciate some insight from a first time user. whoops, my bad.

i'm sorry my name offends you. not a whole lot i can do about that. if i logged in under a different name would that make you more receptive to my ideas?

I was proving a point rather than gloating an ego; It seems it went over your head, and I'm sorry if I came off as abrasive. Instead of saying long sentences of things that could lead to a conclusion that really is a dead end, maybe suggestions would have been better.

That way we can work on the things that users would like to see rather than the things I think would make it easier for you. I have a complicated mind it seems when it comes to things.

iCShop and signs, like what was planned for Hmod would be awesome and get alot of servers going again (specially rpg heavy/light servers)

Just thought i throw that out there.

beggars cant be choosers... some people forget that. Ignore them and keep up the awesome plugins!

oh and yeah, shops would definitely add a lot of value to iconomy

oh it sounded like you were openly mocking me by turning my words around into a parody.

maybe shorter sentences in easier to read chunks would work better for you?

you plugins hard! need more polishing not more plugins! me happy!

iconomy was a good plugin, then it got broken up and now nothing works. instead of shops and signs and all that we get permissions and general and ymls? it would have been an easier pill to swallow if you were more user-friendly. how many pages were simply you explaining what and how ymls exist?

you're a dev, you don't think like a user, that's understandable. but it doesn't mean that users are wrong for wanting something. especially when all they want is at least 1 thing that works.

Well the system is complex at first, but its a cleaner, nicer alternative to the old method and it easily separates content. Yes, I did leave everyone in the dark at the 1.9/2.0 conversion. I'm sorry for that. Things happened that prevented me from further advancing the plugin like I wanted.

The reason iConomy hasn't gained anything is because.. iConomy is complete. It's what it is and does what it does, the other parts I am building. I will probably release and until then, Its a long hard road with rocks and pebbles for me.

I'm currently working on fixing one atm. I'll release them soon :]

see? so much nicer like this. i really did mean for what i said to be constructive. if you were creating plugin bases that users could rely on to manage the plugins they use daily you wouldn't have every other post asking "where's this" "what's that" "why isn't this".

i don't want this to come off like an insult, really, but iconomy doesn't feel like a plugin. if i could actually use iconomy to write my own store plugin the way i want it without having to bother you? HEAVEN. and that's all i was trying to say. the easier you make it to use your plugins to communicate between the front end and bukkit the happier i, the user, will be.

i don't use icshop. why? because i like physical stores. that's literally all i want in an economy plugin. a building that the person has to be in to buy the seller's items. everything else could stay exactly the same and it would be perfect. well, except the chest that you put things into to get money deposited into your account. it only works for the person who created the chest. that's a perfect ATM in my opinion. someone walks by, dumps all their stuff into it, and their checking account goes up. simple and clean from a user standpoint.

i'm glad we're past the bickering, and i hope i've articulated myself in such a way that you do not find insulting, and i hope that your relationship with future talbots doesn't suffer unnecessarily. we're a cursed bunch.

Error:

Code:

2011-01-23 16:17:06 [SEVERE] [iConomy]: Table check for mysql Failed: java.sql.SQLException: No suitable driver found for minecraft
2011-01-23 16:17:06 [INFO] [iConomy] Creating database.
2011-01-23 16:17:06 [SEVERE] [iConomy]: Could not create table for mysql: java.sql.SQLException: No suitable driver found for minecraft
2011-01-23 16:17:06 [INFO] [iConomy] Permission system not enabled. Disabling plugin.
2011-01-23 16:17:06 [INFO] [iConomy] version [2.2] (Aime) un-loaded

Says this every time I try to start up CraftBukkit Build 119 trying to use MySQL. I have dependencies in main folder, I manually setup the tables. Everything is good to go...

iConomy Properties:

Code:

#Minecraft Properties File
#Sun Jan 23 16:12:50 MSK 2011
money-take-interval=0
money-give-amount=1
mysql-db=minecraft
money-name=Gold
mysql-user=xxxxxxxx
debugging=false
money-give-interval=300
money-take-amount=0
database-type=MySQL
mysql-pass=xxxxxxx
starting-balance=500

Just so you know iCShop did have physical stores you could set in different positions and have to have people go there to use. Thats why I used it exclusively on my server. only problem back on hmod was it wouldnt transfer the money to the shop owner and the shop owner couldnt get the stock out without buying it.
But it was Shops in location I pretty much had a local (global market) in different towns selling/buying varies items to force people to look around. I also had a secrect shop or two that handled things like glowstone and such.

In fact signs(<--i am not sure if signs was a part of iCShop or another plugin never got that far) and the shop fix where (from what i recall) being worked on and almost done when the triple slap of death hit- the Beta update, Hmod death, and then minecraft.net going down.

I am currently rocking iConomy on Bukkit for my server, and I eagerly await the trade plugin which will allow the conversion of gold into "drakes" via the chests (our server's currency.) I believe the shop plugin may do this now via commands, but I love the idea of having banks do this as it adds a great purpose for making the big fancy structures

Fantastic work though, I've always been a huge fan of your plugins, but this one in particular is one of the most used on my server. If a casino mod were ever released then it just might be the ultimate plugin on my server, although as it is it's already an essential!

P.S. For some reason I can't seem to get permissions working, but for all I know this is my own fault :X

Yeh you can't. I can't believe anyone was complaining about MORE FEATURES! Just disable them if you don't want to use them.

Really miss shops and those other addons

Nijikokun, your plugins are the most useful and valuable in existence. Thank you so much.

I will look into it..

--- merged: Jan 24, 2011 11:25 AM ---

SignShops will be coming back people. Just waiting on some things.

Nij, please give option to use other than your Permissions plugin. I use GroupUsers too.