So... no tips?

I have come to accept that the staff position adfly is inexorable, nearly to the point of immaturity, but... now we cant even earn a tip for plugin requests?

This seems... fallacious.

Let me be perfectly clear; I am not expressing my opinion due to any dependency of financial earnings through bukkit. TBH I haven't earned a single penny, and I'm happy with that. My quarrel is with the lethargic nature of the staff, followed by abrupt negative responses to the community. At this point the community is only being further-limited.

Tips have been acceptable since the website's creation 13 months ago. Aside from enforcing a vague rule, I see no point in forcing the community to stop that now.

Are you referring to some post where a MOD said it's not k to do this?

This one: http://forums.bukkit.org/threads/policy-reminder-no-monetary-offers.61152/

it's stickied in the plugin requests forum informing that any threads offering tips for plugins will be removed.

@EvilSeph Again with the "we dont want to deal with it", it's not your burden to carry. You aren't held responsible for financial drama. Aside from decreasing the messages in your inbox about an occasional financial slip-up, I see no point in restricting the whole community from thanking the other members financially.

I guess the part that's difficult to grasp is the staff's lackluster enforcement, followed by extreme enforcement.


adfly has no restrictions >> get pms about malicious ad links >> permaban on anyone who uses adfly

tips are allowed for 13 months >> get pms about the lack of common sense >> put a stop to all tips


Seeing this lack of enforcement, followed by extreme enforcement tells me that the entire staff is unpredictable. The level of professionalism decreases with every concern ignored, every rule that was not enforced, and to the point of tips; every vague rule that is enforced to the point of constricting the community.

Also, the common ground I see with these enforcements is getting pms, which adds to the conception of laziness.

@Musaddict

Think of the bukkit forums as a bar. Customers come in, have a chat, get drinks togheter, have meetins, etc. If a bar fight happens who do you think has to get involved? Either they call the bouncers or the cops. Problem is, as you stated forums don't really have physical bouncers that can kick people out.

I know there has been money deals on the forums before, but I've only heard about people doing their transactions in private messages. That's like drug dealers in the bar's toilets. What bukkit did, is they installed a board in the toilet that says "NO DEALS HERE". That's all. It was already check, but now it's visible to everyone.

lol, interesting analogy. I guess it's true tho. The policy only covers advertising payment.

I just read it. Word for word it would prevent people from offering their talents/products for $. So people offering money would make other people in infraction...

But this recent post could also somehow be linked to Curse. Because now Curse will give points redaimable for money for popular plugins. It sorts of turns us into a store.

To go back to the bar analogy, it's like if you want to sell tickets to a concert inside the bar property, you need the bar's approval first.

It's the other way around.
If people post threads with "I make plugins for $$" they will get removed. At least, that's how I read it.

Anyway, long story short. It's the staff's decision. If they wish to listen to people that want adfly allowed, great. If not, great. This forum, sorry for another analogy here, is like a shop on the street. If you don't like how they're running, you're welcome to leave and start your own. It's not like we're talking about a country and its policies here. It's a forum.

I like analogies, it's like that bible thing where they tell a story to tell us why we need to do it like so.

To me it's a monopoly. Bukkit is hands down the only major server software for Minecraft, and this website is the only outlet for its services. It would be illegal to create a website duplicating this website with new rules. I can't simply "start my own."

In your analogy, the Bukkit forums would be a mall. They heard from a rent-a-cop that someone got pick pocketed, so all tipping in all stores became against policy. I can't simply go and make another mall with the same services saying "feel free to advertise, feel free to tip", cause, well, that would be near-impossible and completely impractical.

Be advised, this is my final post regard this topic on this thread. Otherwise we'll get into an argument, or, at least a mod will think we are. I, for one, am not looking for an infraction/editing of my post.

I do agree, duplicating the success of Bukkit this late in the game is unlikely.


You'll have to double check with a moderator/admin about this, but if you'd like someone to support you, add a donator button to your dev page. And add a piece of text that says, "If you'd still like to support me, but are unable to donate, please spend a moment of your time and PM me for the adfly download link." Hmm... that may not be allowed. As I said, check with a mod or admin. I'd be willing to support a petition that adfly be allowed if there is a "main" download link always available where that adfly link is. I think that's a decent compromise between the two groups. However, if the staff are still opposed to it, I believe, that in this particular case, that is still their decision.

@Ice_Sword - you can see the associated discussion (and lock) about that here: http://forums.bukkit.org/threads/poll-your-view-on-adfly-terms-and-conditions.59577/

I will continue reading your post after I post this, but I would just like to say that YOUR STAFF allowed a sticky post that told your community to include a field for how much the requester is willing to pay. Your staff allowed that. I will now continue reading.

For one, all I have wanted is understanding. To me, and many other community members, are confused at your actions. All I have recieved from you is "it's bad", I say "it doesnt have to be, here's why", and your staff ignores me. I have just posted another thread that contains the PM that I sent to mbaxter that went more than a week without response (and still is without one).

As for you saying it has been enforced since the beginning, it hasn't. According to your stickies, it was instead encouraged to tip people.

Again, the staff is ignoring me. I dont want compensation! I say so in the OP of this thread... I do understand adfly. I also know that if you claim no responsibility, your are not responsible

Like I said, I explain how ALL of this can be prevented in the PM I sent mbaxter.

You dont ban URL shorteners...

simple... claim no responsibility.

You wont put yourself in the position to be exposed to certain responsibilities if you claim no responsibility and make it perfectly clear that the discussed features are used at your own risk.

Well thanks for apologizing. I was not aware of this massive confusion, so I too am sorry for seeming brash. Just this plus being ignored over the adfly topic had rubbed me a little raw.

I disregard it because you disregard me. We both know that your request of guaranteeing it's safe is a cop out, so your disregard to break it down into detail is then juvenile.

And now that I realize that the lack of enforcement was due to lack of communication, that makes perfect sense. Still doesn't explain (in detail) the adfly issue tho.

some months ago adfly links had fake download buttons on the advertisement. people clicked on it and ofc it trigerred their antivirus. For the protection of the community the staff decided to ban adfly links.

soooooooooooooooo?.... where do i go now considering that bukkit forums now has idiotic rues..... anyone know where we could all go?

I prefer a Bukkit with AdFly-free links. I hate them. In fact, anything that redirects like it does I hate. Tinyurl the same. You've only got to look at Minecraft Forum threads to see the number of requests for a non-adfly link.
To make a few pennies it simply isn't worth it to your reputation you lose.

Plus, you are forgetting there will be the BukkitDev rewards system soon (hopefully).