The Bukkit Team will TRY and update hMod

I hope the Bukkit will be released soon, I hate that Griefers need my plugins

With utmost respect for your efforts and not to sound like a dick... but what I got from that update is hmod is broken unless I want to give up the additions and bugfixes of 1.2, with no official release forthcoming. With consideration to the fact that finished and polished (workable) release of bukkit may be a while, everyone who relies on hmod to run their server is SOL.

And please before anyone quotes me to rage, I am already running a vanilla server and that just isn't a feasible option for an extended period.

Is the hmod code on github? Perhaps a community effort is in order? Man, I wish it was easy for you to explain what needs to be done (how to figure out what is what) and have those who know enough to take a stab at it. For instance, how to determine what obfuscated server functions are what and how to create the linkage that hmod needs.

Even this would take an undue amount of time from Bukkit, and that's understandable. Well, I guess all I can say is I'm glad you're going t knuckle down on Bukkit and hopefully it is possible to design it in a way that it doesn't suffer this fate every Minecraft update.

Ugh, why can't notch just write interfaces for all the classes and then obfuscate the actual code? That's all the "modding API" we'd really need, right?

good news!

kMod (hMod build 134)
http://forum.minecraftpvp.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=17

I know I complain often but I want to thank Evil and the rest of the Bukkit team for their hard work.

With that being said and totally understanding that Bukkit is not ready yet, I ask this. How long are we looking at before we get some kind of version that is released as stable? Not trying to rush anyone but watching the forums for an update is crazy, yet my server is driving me nuts, so I have to keep looking. I have no problem installing craftbukkit if anyone can verify that the mods are working and it is somewhat stable.

Once again, awesome job guys and I respect your descision to concentrate on Bukkit.

As much as people want a mod working and they want it now... I really would rather time not be spent/wasted on hmod anymore.

I'm glad to hear the news that focus is back on Bukkit.
Can't wait to get it working on my server! =D But don't burn yourselves out guys!

Thank you for trying anyway. I think this has also proved that there probably won't be any unofficial builds of hMod either. If a whole team of developers can't do it then what chance has a single person that has never worked with hMod got lol. Any news on a possible release date?

That's promising but work in progress, it seems!

Thanks to the bukkit team for giving it a try! FWIW, I have been programming in java for 8+ years now and I find the hmod code together with the approach taken to modify the minecraft server VERY difficult to understand. It's always tough to get into someone else's code but I can also appreciate how difficult it is to go back to code you haven't looked at for a while. So again, kudos to the bukkit team and best of luck getting something decent together for these hungry masses here.

My server will be running vanilla for the time being. I have only been using the map plugin, which wasn't working very well anyways. So all my handful of players are "upset" about right now is that they have to walk places instead of warping.

Actually being a server operator wouldn't be as eye-opening as you seem to think. I think someone that would be best at comparing the two would have to be a programmer; one of the people who make complicated plug-ins and what not.

From my understanding, Bukkit offers loads more utility than Hey0 and so makes learning how to manipulate Bukkit easier in comparison.

I am a "server operator" and I think Bukkit is doing a great job, just from what I've read. I cannot wait for the actual release.

As am I, and I agree.. but seeing the progress on bukkit, it's sad to see it's still in this low of a stage. It's extremely disappointing to see that [a rough]80% of the MC community and it's servers are in 'peril' due to the reliance that we have on a community made mod.. I mean, why should notch add more/easier support when he's got people doing it for free...

I'm really sorry to see hMod go ... I hope you can get that release of Bukkit done ASAP! I miss my build server already!

Gotta love it, I just realized I cant even get back to my house

It is good you stopped working on hMod, it was kind of a waste of time, but thanks so much for your time and effort into it. I also was wondering how transferring worlds and plugins will work out when moving from hMod to Bukkit?
Sorry if this is on the site I haven't been registered for more than 10 minutes but if anyone can clear that up for me it would be terrific!

Good luck with Bukkit, I sure am excited!

Plugins are being modded and from what I understand there will be a simple system set up on fill for installing the individual plugins. As far as tranferring worlds, the wording being incorrect I believe but you will have to save your current worlds and then install bukkit. They will give the details when Bukkit is ready, although I know some people are already running craftbukkit on their servers. I don't think the Bukkit team really wants the info out because of people whining when it goes down, but a how to and what we need would be great to get it up and going.

Xenonservers sucks, doesn't it

I won't change to Bukkit now, sorry but I need my plugins, specially these plugins that give me security to my server, like AuthCraft.
Bukkit still having too little plugins. In my opinion you should try update hMod again or you will lose your followers (this update is very importatn to the game), I dont understand why you don't still working in hMod, its really simple to configure it and Minecraft is only in beta...
Please listen to the word of a follower, it's very important that you update only for this time and no more, you should give time to Bukkit, time for it supports more plugins....please

PD: sorry for my bad english, I'm chilean

Both myself and the community I represent are very happy this topic was put together.
Its communication. They notified the masses, set the right expectation that they would try for us. If they could or could not update your mod, wasnt entirely what mattered - it was that they tried for us, that mattered. That means alot in the books of alot of people.

No false hope recieved here. I can tell you that my community is now even more excited for Bukkit's release. This team is obviously dedicated to the community, this clearly demonstrates that. Im glad the Hey0 mod wont see another update, it'll be nice to forget about that name all together.

Why update something that is Out of Date... More Buggy and Less Effiecent... No disrepect to Hey0 Great Work... But the Bukkit team it self havnt worked onthe Hey0 Mod them selves in a long time.. the Cod has changed and it has gotten much more messy... stop trying to force a team to work on something pointless cause you cant wait or ask your favorite Plugin Coders to Switch to Bukkit.

If a Fan can update Hmod with a few bugs, you guys should actually be able to update it. Imo i think you dont wanna focus on hmod so you just said it failed too much. only thing is, because of that 70% of all servers are either down or vanilla.

EvilSeph, and others, thank you all for your work. Your failure to update Hey0 only demonstrates the importance of Bukkit. Hopefully Bukkit becomes fully ready within the next few weeks.

I may not know what i'm talking about here... it truly might be that hmod's code was so messed up it was beyond repair... but my interpretation reading between the lines of this entire situation is as follows:

Impatient developers within the hmod team got fed up with hmod's creator, so they did an arguably childish thing... they decided to immediately and dramatically separate themselves from hmod without proper in-depth planning. Because of this, it is my belief that the users within this community have been disadvantaged.

So yeah, not too happy guys. I hope we have a future here, but honestly if I saw another wrapper emerge I would instantly abandon this seemingly dysfunctional community. Impulsive behavior is not how a successful program of ANY sort is created. You may have a lot of great ideas (and I hope you do as a fervent user of all the mods that are now moving to bukkit) but the method used in this transition just seems sloppy at best.

I urge the developers to show us more professionalism in the future. I love what the many dev's within this community have done, but this whole roll-over has left a bad taste in my mouth.

Let me say this first. YOU HAVE NO CLUE WHAT YOU'RE ON ABOUT!

Yep.

the Hmod team, as far as I know, have always been on amiable terms with Hey0. They announced Bukkit to gain developer support (aka, people like me), not user support. But they did not expect the upcoming update and fall of Hey0 so quickly.

The dysfunctional community is actually people who contribute no code or money, and expect free products instantly.

So, is there a relative ETA for bukkit's release? I'm not trying to sound impatient, just need to know what to give as an estimate to my peeps as to how long vanilla will be up. Days? Weeks? Months ;D?

Thanks for the hard work!

Several weeks to a couple months for a full, functional release, would be my guess.

Thanx for trying bukkit team BUKKIT MAN LIVES!!!

My suggestion is that you release something very basic. Just include the basic functions (whatever they may be) that way people can at least start to manage their servers. Running vanilla is frustrating enough as an op let alone someone who is used to buying their items...

Im tired of people getting fed up with my server just because there is no way to run it. My host relies on these mods to even let us play it. I am spending money. With all these updates and waiting a week for anybody to fix the mods, money adds up very quickly. $30 a month to host a server nobody can enter... Pitiful.

Just release something. Help us out here. We have stood by and waited for news. The first good news we got all week was this and now its not good news anymore...